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tavis: good eveng from los angeles, i tavis smiley. ats s. continues the gel dicate task of engaging the arabic worldn the fight against extremism no country is re important than saudi arabia, first up tonig, our conversationbout saudi arabia with the best-seling author robert ley. his latest bookn the subject is called "inside the kingdom." also tonight osc-winning actrs marion cotillard is here llowing her standout perfmance in "la vie en rose," she is parof an all-star semble cast in the new film "nin" we're ad you joined us. historian robert lacey and actress marion tillard coming up right n. >> there are so many things at wal-mart is oking forward to
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doing, like helpinpeople live betr, but mostly we're looking forward to blding stronger counities and relationips. becau of your help, the bes is yet to come. >> nationwidinsurance proudly supportsavis smiley. tavis and natiwide insurance, working to impro financial literacy and the onomic empowermt that comes with it. >>ationwide is on your side >> and by contributions to you pbs station fromiewers like you. hank you. [captioning made possible by kcet public televisi] ú@ tavis: robt lacey is aoted ú@ hisrian and best-selling authorhose books ilude "the kingdom" andmajesty." has turned to saudi arabia,
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for "inside the kingdom." robert lacey, good thave you on this program,ir. >> thank you very ch. tavis: i thoug to start our conversation by king you why yo fascination withaudi arabia, i think e better question mighte why we should fascinated with sau arabia? >> well, the oious is 9/11 for america. 15 of the 19 hijackersre saudis. i tried expla in my book w it was basically a sdi quarrel fought out on american soil with american victims. al qaeda, bin lad dedicated t bringg down the house of saad codn't do it in saudi arabia with the near enemy a they called him so they came to america d attacked the far enemy. you paid the priceor your ars of friendship a closeness with sdi abia. tavis: i was about to a why did wend up being at the top that list. yoexplain it now. you talk about i in the book,
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the price tt we had to pay f our friendship with the saudis. >> well, it's america who exploited, discored and deveped saudi oil. back in e 1930's, the saudi ose america rather than the british rather than us becse we had bee meddling in th middle east. the kingf saudi araa at the me liked the idea that america werear away. they would come and devel the oil and go ay. america is on the otheride of the worl afr the war, e second world war, suddenl saudi arabia discered that america ia patron of this new jewish state in the middle east. and suddenly, theove relationship turns to a love-hate retionship and it's been le that ever since. th saus, forxample, are principal supporters of e dollar. why the hell shod we be friends withaudi arabia? well, e reason is all saudi
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surplus go into t dlar. they hp, along wit china and japan, they're number thr, they help ke the dollar going. so they have enormous economic power and they u their economic power to support the americ system. but they're fundamentalists and theyeel it corrodes t holy nd of isl because as you knowecca is in saudi arabia. they feel that they're -- that's what i say about a lovhate relationship. they feel two ways abo their friendship with you. tavis: i think thenswer to this question might be instructivand informative. that's why i wanto ask it. whenou suggested earli in this conrsation that they couldn't bri down the near enemy, so we, the.s.,ecame the target, the f enemy. with all of the presion and all of the proce that goes into what they pulled off on 9/11, again to youroint, 15 of the 19 hackers being saudi,
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what was itbout us that me us an easier target toull ts off? why couldn't the attack inside and bringown the house of saud? because saudi arabia an autocicy. they have arrangements. u are a democracy. you run by the laws ofreedom. people talk about 9/11 being hatched in afghastan. mae the original ide was. it was actually hatched in ying schools in florida and californiahere these guys were allod to live. it wasn't an intelgence breakdn. it's easieto be wise after the event. hindsighis 20/20. the problem -- one of the basic prlems with the war on terror is thayou play by t rules and tse guys don't an that is why 9/11 hpened. think it's greatly to the cred of america thayou have been able to get your t together and stopnything serious like that happeng
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nce. it says a gat deal for america. tavi assess for me our retionship witthe kingdom now. >> well, the saudis a trying to makemendments. no one is very goodt saying sorry. tavis: amendments for what? >> amendnts amended for/11. the saudis now have realized that it waelements of their cultur elements of their society that proced 9/11. mean, bin laden was a sdi. bin laden, let's n forget was a hero of all of us. we helped cate b laden back in the 1980' when the saudis and the americans used him to help kick e russis out of afghanisn. he then turned against both saudi aria and america. an since 9/11,articularly under this n king, king abdullah, they he been trying to get the extremism, the intolerae out of their textbooks.
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women are being brought more into the national dialogue. there is an attempto create a knledge societynd basically e main thing is to trynd reduce the fears of the mern world, which are at the rootf fundamentalism. tas: how is that processn saudi arabia coming alongo your rd? >> every debat you have in saudi arabias what i call the speedomer. it's aascinating country to live in becauseeople are vy well aware othe role they played at the beginning the 21st century and trying to put itight. e speedometer is the reform going too st or too slow? recely, king abdullah introduced aew science university on the re sea coast ere he said for the first time, men and women wl study side by side. we think that's great because in most sau universits, men a women study separely. when wen have male profeors, ve look at closed-circui
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television and press a butto to alk to the profess to deal with him. we thi it's great that men and women should study on a campus si by side. the trationalists in sdi arabia feel this is surrenderg the pa. young men and women wiet together. sexual things will happen. this is corroding traditional islamic valuesnd there is a bibacklash against what the king is trying to do. tas: is how is the process going on in saudi arabia, you answered that the question is w how does the rest of the islamic world view what they were attempting too inside of saudi abia? >> the islamic world feels ambivalent aut saudi arabia, because they addere to ts stringent version f islam. it was after the proclaimer of it. the rig segregati between the sexes, the resistance to things that we would call modern and a lot muslims in the
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world are reallyrankly unhappy that theseeople should control the holy places becse if you go to morocco o lebanon or islamicommunities in this countr life is much more free and easy so, aga, it's an ambalent cture. one thing think thathe islamic wod rather likes in saudi araa is this pcess for ealing with their terrorists and their attpts to reeduca teorists, not just lock them up andhrow away the key. tavis: that's kind of like some would compe that to the argument we he in this country out recidivism and whether rehabilating prisoners actually wor. can you rehabitate a terrorist? >> that's a good question. i'm glad you raised the question of recidivism. she's saudi refor camps that we're talking about the young men are debrainwashed or rebrnwashed. they sit down a look at a new way of islam.
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they're bribed. they're given jo, houses, money to pay theride price to get a wife, to reintegrate them into society. as a result of this, about 90% the guys who go through these ograms never reoffend. that's only 10% raid six as coared to american jails where it's 55% recidism. buamerican jails, the gs who reoffend are committing street tes. 10% of terroris are goi back to terrori and you could say at 1% recidivism tavis: is too much. >> is too muc tas: blow up a building and kill 3,000 peoplin the press. >> shoulyou lock them up and throw awy the key? i think they should keeon trying this. they're trying to take the system that produce these guys and unproce them. i think that at the e of the day hato be the right way to go. tavis: we're talki about a partular religion, in this
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se, islam. you rerenced earlier wt role are clerics playingn this process? >> well, there are two sorts of clers to be oversimplifying. there are the modern progressive clerics of th sort of who we would approve,oung menn the whole trying to engage in this change in society. buthere are a lot of traditionalists who they lk at the west a they don't like wh they see. they see toouch sexuality. they look at television sho. rectly, there was a tv hos in udi arabia who started boasting about his sex life and his conquests whene was a younger man, which, u know, happens occasiolly in the west. tas: occasnally. [lauter] >> and this guy was broug in by the polic a local prosecutor took him to court and senteed him to fiv years in jail. w, many saudis would say yes, u shouldn't go on television and boast about your sex life. an islam, tha means that
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you're effectively sayg i couldn't ce less about islam because any sex outside mriage for a muslim, before marriage, not just when you are married, says that you dot care about your religion. so this man should be punished. we d't want thi e religious police in saudi arabia, they' going around cking up the kids whose jeans are low so they show theops of their backides. they say that is not acceptable. now i can't hel feeling that 50 years ago in the states, lal police chiefs, if they saw kids in the streetin small tow america would sa pull your jeans up, sonny, or we'll taking u home. thatorld has vanished in america. it still applies i saudi arabia. tas: there is more reason for th. we don't have enougjail cells to lock tm up. i digress o thatoint. the nebook is called "inside the kingdom" written byhe
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wonderful historian, robert lacey. good to have you on thprogram. up next oscar-winning actress mari cotillard is with us. stay right the. maon cotillard is a talented acess who took home the osc for the best actress back in 2007 forer much talke about performance in "la vie en rose." she now starsn the golden globe-nominated lm "nine." here n, a scene fro"nine." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ to live the kind of dreams on which options aren't alws what they seem ♪ ♪ he may b o to some uque romantic sne ♪ ♪ some rule the wor
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♪ some earn their ving making friends ♪ ♪ myusband, he goes a little azy making moviesnstead ♪ tavi some of us are our own toughest critics. i was watchg when the cli was playing you would loo and look aw, look and look away, look anlook away. why? >> it'always weird to see yourself and ually i see the movies i in two times. the first time beause the first time i just cannot see the movie. i don't know. 's very special to explain. and then the sondime i can actually see it. i'm not like focused on things and myself. and then that's it. tavis: you don't wt to see it anymore after two tis? >> no.
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[laughr] >> two times is a lot. tavis: is a lot. the studios have whole different opinion about that th want you to see "ni," ce, twice, three a four times. you ly want to see it twice. i understand that. when you got a chance t see your work in "nine,"hat did you think? >> it's the toughest qution. ll, it's hard to talk abou myself in that way. it's alwayhard. tavis: were you happy with the rk? >> yeah, it's even hard to answerhis question. vis: why don't i shut up and st asking questions. >> you know talking abt yourself, i catalk about the movie,ecause i love the movie, and tking about wt i think of what m doing in th movie, it's always really, reay hard. i can talk about t role. i n talk about the movie, abt nicole kidman, about pelope cruz, about diel
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day-lewi but myself, it' hard to -- i'm very tougith me. i think ihould and i hink it's a good ing to beough wi yourself when you work and i wouldn't beoo tough here with m tavis: let me ask you tha question in a differt way. i hear yr point and i respect that. although all the perns you mentioned are ur co-stars, th have said everywhere else that u are britain bill yat in this. your modest and get that. let me ask the qstion in a fferent way, marion. i assume for eac role that you play there is a dferentind ofonfidence you have to bring to t role. in this role, you're sging, so it's not just the acting, it's the voicas well. tell me about e confidence you had to s it up to believe tt
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you could pullhis off. >> well, i'mever confident when i sta a project. i just know something about myse that helps me to go there. it's that i lovto work and i know that with wk you can do lotf this. you can mage to be someone who totally different from what u are andhat's why i c -- that's why i love to take risks beuse i know if i have enough time and if iave the good people to work with, i can actually do something. so and especially th "nine," i mean,e were all in the same statwhen we started the movie because weere all scared about a lot of things, dancing, nging, you know,nd thi genre that i sopecial, the
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mucal. so the energy was really interesting and amazing, actually, becse we had tse two months of rehearsals all together, all the women d daniel and withob and t amazinteam he works with. and then they helped us to build this condence that think not a lotf actors aonfident. i ink that might be a goo thing because you have to build your confidenceach ti, each movie. tavis: speaking of your singing, there were a couple -- two or three new songs a few sgs written for the movie, the movie ine" and won of them written specifically for you. what's it like to have a song written for you thayou get to perform on firm? >> i don't s it that way.
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it was written for louisa. it w writtenor the character. anbecause them being original musical, there w this beautiful song wch is "be on yor own," and rob marshall wanted something with mo fierce, something more violent. and "be on your own" is a very beautiful song, but it has -- something wamissing for rob for the mie. so they ote "take it a," which is a beautifulnd powerful and very sad song, too, and i was vy happy toave t opportunity to show another aspect of lisa's person. tavis: for you, what's the
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unique teaway when you get a chce to work with a cas like this? i mean, everybody ocourse, you cat talk about "nine" witut talking about e cast. what's t takeaway for marion of being able to be a part of th kind of ensemble? >> i feel, i fel and ieel so fortunate to be part of this group of amazing acts. i think the first thing is the joy. i love that job. i lo being an actress and i love having those emotion and feeling this intensity. an all those actors all tother, whenou see someone like nicole kidman orenelope cruz, because i spent a loof time with tm.
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we had singing class together, dancing ass togher, and to see tho amazing actors, they have nothing to prove, but they're stilthere as ifhey have everything to learn. and it's so -- it's so beautiful to watch. tavis: speaking of beautifulo watch, i w just thinking, pardon me, mmind just drifted for two seconds a i was thinki how i would have loved to have been the music coach teachingarion and penelope and nicole, t i'm back n. i just leftor about 30 seconds. >> he was amazg. paul was amazing wh us. tavis: does your pcess -- has your process cnged for the kinds of roles thayou want to play where you get o this side as youre of the accim, the academy and golden gle nominatis, does any of that
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accola change your process of choosing the things you want to do at th point? >> no. tavis: not at all? >> no. i codn't -- i mean, when i read a story and it goes into my blood, i know that i have to pa of a project. d if it doesn't go rightway into my hrt and my soul and my blood and get obsesse with it right away,ell, i know that i won' be good. so i have to stay away from another kind ofecision to do a movie. i can't do that. i just -- love this job too much. 's my realassion. and yo can't spoil your passion by doing something for t money or doing something because you have to ben a movie for your own,ou know -- i don't know how to explain tt, but because it'sood to be in ts movie because more people willee u, i can't do that.
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tas: i will take that. i know the tk these days were "nine," i thought youere brilliant in "puic enemies." >> thankou. tavis: i grew up in indiana. those scenes were in e movie. you were amazing in th as well. >> thank you very much. i an michael mann is one of the greast directors i hae worked wh and johnny depp is a greet, greetctor to work with, too. it was very, very hard. this movie was actually harr to make for m than "la vie en rose" because ofhis accent, the mid weste accent. tavis: how did youearn that mid western acct? >> oh, my, it was fouronths, well, a lile bit more, acally. before i srted the movies, it s four months every day rking on my tongue and jaw because u don't -- you don
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us the same muscles in erican, the one we used in french, soou really have to not learn howo donccent, bu learn howo speak. and it was -- it was really the hardt thing i have ever hado do. tavis: y pulled it off. i love the midwest,ut fnch is ahole lot sexier, bter than thaa mid western accen nice to have youn the problem. >> tha you. tas: marion cotillard, one of thstars of the film "nine." check it out. th's our show for tonight. catch me on the wkends on pri, puic radio international. you can acces our radio podcast throh our website. until then, good night from los angeles, thanks for tching and as alws, keep the faith. >> ♪ whenou pre me to your heart ♪
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♪ i'm in a rld ♪ tn when y're in the world ♪ ♪ the world sms to come in oser ♪ ♪ givee your heart and come to me ♪ for more information on today's show, sit tavis smiley tavis: hi, i'm tavis smiley. in me next time for a lk at congressional efforts to regute the banki industry us actress keri russl. that's next time. we'll see you then. >> the are so many things that wamart is looking forward to dng like helping peopleive better, but mostly we're looki forward to building stronger communits and relatiships. beause of your help, the bt is yet to come
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